I have just spent the best part of half a day putting together an update of my amazon.com case study. I'll work on the final version over the next 24 hours ... watch this space. If you go to sports events to enjoy yourself, spare a bit of time for the person or persons unknown who are there with you and whose function is to record this kind of data, in this case about football in England: quickest goal latest goal quickest goal by a substitute quickest booking goals from outside the penalty area most offsides player most offsides team highest fouls to cards ratio lowest fouls to cards ratio most free kicks won most shots without scoring most shots without scoring: team most shots in match: team fewst shots in match: team most shots in match: player fewst shots in match: player most shots on target: player most shots on target: team most shots off target: player most shots off target: team and so it goes on. You don't have to know anything about football in England to know that collecting such data is a sad thing to do, surely. After all, it is only data and surely cannot be turned into information ... can it? DW